Fukuryu vs Hanakago

[gk80]

What is the difference between Fukuryu and Hanakago?

Thank you!!

[Carlo & Daniele]

If I'm right 'hanakago' is the common name for aztekium ritteri.
Once I saw a photo of that plant in Sato's book and in fact the roughness of the skin reminds aztekium ritteri.
Then many people start to call very rough fukuryu with that name, but I do not know if the classification is correct.
If other people have info please share them here.

thanks

[gk80]

Thank you!! It would be great if others contribute with more info.

I think that not only the skin is important but the number of ribs also. But I might be wrong.
Most, if not all, the pictures I was able to find on the web with the name hanakago were 6+ ribs plants.

[Stéphane J]

Hello to all, hanakago means that there is similarity with aztekium ritteri, but in relation with the fact that the fukuryu cross either. I got a in seedlings of fukuryu hekiran x fukuryu godzilla of Carlo and Daniele! I found this fukuryu very interesting.
Good culture 
Stéphane

[Carlo & Daniele]

Hello! That's nice, could you please post a pic of this plant?

thanks

[Stéphane J]

Here's this astro

[Carlo & Daniele]

very good result! compliments!

[gk80]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the explanation 
Could you please explain a little more? Thank you very much

[Frank]

Hanakago is common name of Aztekium ritteri.
An extreme Fukuryu-ranpo was developped in 1985 and named Hanakago-ranpo because the appearance was similar to Aztekium ritteri.
Unfortunately Hanakago-ranpo could not make any flowers. In 2002, only 6 gafting plants were existing in Japan.
I am not sure the current situation but the photo is:
http://www.shaboten.com/Pict/R0011397.jpg

[Stéphane J]

Hello,
Ah yes!It really looks like aztekium ritteri! Yet, I thought that was the designation for a horizontal fukuryu, do you think the name "hanakago" has put to generalize and characterized the fukuryu then horizontal, or there is another name for the fukuryu horizontal???

[Frank]

I think:
Hanakago-ranpo was just named as Hanakago-ranpo in 1985 because of similar to Aztekium ritteri (Hanakago)
It was developped just one plant. Hanakago-ranpo could not make any flowers and Japanese could not make any similar plant or offsprings from seeds.

I do not now the name of horizontal fukuryu.
Japanese normally give a name to a new cultivar as similar to ---.
Eg. Yoroi, Komodo-dragon, konpeitou etc
Horizontal fukuryu is not Japanese idea.

[Carlo & Daniele]

Frank,
so actually there is only one clone of hanakago, and all the others you can find in the web are wrongly classified?

thanks

[Frank]

Carlo & Daniele

Hanakago-ranpo was developped in 1985, just 1 plant.
Hanazono -ranpo could not make any flowers.
The only method to increase numers was pups grafting.
In 2002, 6 plants were in Japan. He just could increase 2~3 plants per year.

I am not sure the current Hanakago-ranpo situation.

[Stéphane J]

Hello, thank you Franck for these details, and thank you Carlo&Daniele for your seeds

[Stéphane J]

Hello, I see a japenese astro with a horizontal fukuryu, and it's called 'fukuryu line', apparently the term hanakago has been used, not by japenese,  to generalize this apparence, sorry, but like that I'm sure now!Thanks!
Bye

[Carlo & Daniele]

this is a well marked fukuryu, but do not think the it could be hanakago