(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GelNKNR9PDk/SnRX192WAxI/AAAAAAAAAEk/uOQqcpe9eqw/s720/100_4651.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wAO6oSGS1YA/TEcO5dn0TeI/AAAAAAAADAo/yfTBdYXvc7M/s720/025.JPG)
great plants sandro!
these are two from our collection, hope they will flower soon:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yqENVvhmQIM/TMLFYlOvukI/AAAAAAAADag/0ObUMVjEz58/s512/CIMG3473.JPG)
does anybody know the origin of this cultivar? Personally I think the are not crossed with Leuchtenbergia, at least for the first and the third photos. Maybe for the second one it is really crosse with it...
what do you think?
@ XWA
lovely both... :D same clone, different plants in different conditions?
what are those brown spots?
is it a hardy plant or is it weak?
Hi my friend the brown spots i don"t know but now ok. and yes they are strong plants, but the green one is14cm plant and still not a single flower ufffffffffffff :'(
I really like this awesome intergeneric hybrid. The pictures are fantastic!
I have tried a couple of years now to produce this cross with ornatumXLuechtenbergia as well as myriostigmaXLeuchtenbergia and the other way around. Until now I have no luck...but I will keep trying!
@ Simon:i tried the same about 40 time... good luck!
@XWA: i wish you good luck. i have never seen any photo of flowering plant.
that makes me suppose it could also be a concentrical chimera! (just kidding!)
if you get any flower or seed let us know.
fanecchissimo if you remember in another old forum that now is closed a person showed not only the flower but also seeds from a big astrobergia so i think is fertile, i don't know anything about the genetic of this cultivar but it looks like it can be fertile
I think he wanted to say that the cross myrio x leuchtenbergia and ornatum x leuchtenbergia doesn't produce seeds.
I remember too the photo of astrobergia with fruit on astromania.
OMG i lost it... :(
i hope it is fertile, because even if i don't have any, i like it very much...
and i would love to see sons!
People said it was better to take 2 steps for making Astrophytum base intergeneric hybrid.
1st step is Astrostigma (Any Astrophytum x caput medusae).
2nd step is Astrostigma x any cactus.
I have 4 Astrostigma plants. They are grafted but growing very slow.
I saw photos of Astrostigma x Echinocactus and Astrostigma x Ferocactus.
I tried Astrostigma x Thelocactus last year but it did not work.
I will try more this year.
Quote from: Frank on Sunday, 06 November 2011 - 01:28:31
People said it was better to take 2 steps for making Astrophytum base intergeneric hybrid.
1st step is Astrostigma (Any Astrophytum x caput medusae).
2nd step is Astrostigma x any cactus.
I have 4 Astrostigma plants. They are grafted but growing very slow.
I saw photos of Astrostigma x Echinocactus and Astrostigma x Ferocactus.
I tried Astrostigma x Thelocactus last year but it did not work.
I will try more this year.
Dear Frank,
we have some hybrids of normal myrio crossed with caput-medusae, but they looks like normal myrios, only the flower seems to be larger.
What do you think it should be the right way to obtain an astrobergia? firstly ornatum x caput medusae and then this plant crossed with leuchtenbergia?
Have you got any photo of your Astrostigma?
thanks
we obtained this plant from ornatum x myrio kikko nudum, it is still very small, we will see how it will develop.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FvMEMDXHbtY/S-q7mtP-beI/AAAAAAAAB4I/VVD2vFQMVLM/s512/CIMG3047.JPG)
I think it´s an astrobergia as well ,
I crossed miryo ekubo kiko and ornatum ,and the plants seems normal ormy and myor plants ,myriostigma with spinesand 5 and 6,7ribs ,and ornatum with out spines or lees ribs
(https://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/48888/2083496530103691529S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2083496530103691529WSOaKq)
(https://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/13019/2214545240103691529S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2214545240103691529jfbidW)
(https://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/45870/2565164090103691529S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2565164090103691529NkXtwr)
the plants are too young to show any evidence ,but really diferent to be an astropbergia like the one of the photo
(https://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/46104/2691904470103691529S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2691904470103691529ZbEIOO)
I watting for flower as well
Carlo and Daniele
The followings are my 4 Astrostigmas. (myriostigma x caput medusae)
All of them are myriostigam shapes but the body color gives a hint of hybrid.
(1)
(https://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/49895/2530463330044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2530463330044113659WHYwNz)
(2)
(https://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/49783/2323899640044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2323899640044113659LEhxuG)
(3)
(https://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/49610/2307621150044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2307621150044113659ZXtTZW)
(4)
(https://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/49687/2054955710044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2054955710044113659YxoiDu)
No. (1) was in flower last year and I crossed with Thelocactus heterochromus.
Numbers of seeds were normal and seeds looked very healthy but there was no germination at all.
I will try again if I had a chance.
(https://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/49233/2833580000044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2833580000044113659FSOavb)
Hello!
I get the plant from fairyland (with a few other cultivars) this year.
A few month later (I grafted it from hylo to t. pasacana).
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/p1050921.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1233&u=13572287)
Quote from: Frank on Sunday, 06 November 2011 - 01:28:31
People said it was better to take 2 steps for making Astrophytum base intergeneric hybrid.
1st step is Astrostigma (Any Astrophytum x caput medusae).
2nd step is Astrostigma x any cactus.
I have 4 Astrostigma plants. They are grafted but growing very slow.
I saw photos of Astrostigma x Echinocactus and Astrostigma x Ferocactus.
I tried Astrostigma x Thelocactus last year but it did not work.
I will try more this year.
Hello all,
I have even heard that you can stimulate stigma of Astrophytum flower with Dandelion pollen -> to Astrophytum flower could be than better "opened" for receiving inter-specie pollen like from Leuchtembergia => after stimulating of stigma of Astrophytum with dandelion pollen, you only polinate again with Leuchtembergia pollen. With this technique they even obtained Ferobergia, what I know :) I have never tried it, because I was no lucky to both Astrophytum & Leuchtemberbia would bloom same day :(
But one day I will do try ;)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/562912_3316261355246_452166620_n.jpg)
this is good as father. but as a mother nothing 100% sterile. this is for you my freind fanecchissimo whit flower
great result Sandro! Compliments!!!
i cross as father whit all the cultivar you can imagine and all produce good seeds.
hope next year they sprout all. bye Sandro ;)
YEY!!!!
NICE!!!!!!!! good result sandro. what did you pollinate with its pollen?
I have two clones of astrostigma. will try to abotain smt, maybe next year! :)
Very very nice Sandro!
It will be interesting to see the seedlings.
Dan
photo taken today! yeah!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3NWslF8k-TA/Uf_uNsAekxI/AAAAAAAALOs/UfofOzpE0no/w528-h553-no/050820132381%25281%2529.jpg)
Nice, VERY nice!
plant from Paolo Panarotto:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1150892_521120524623094_2058279731_n.jpg)
Simply amazing!
My ornatum 'Kikko's are far from being as striking as C&D amazing specimen - but a a nice plant anyway:
(https://www.e-aiand.com/kaktusefoorumisse/orkikko009.JPG)
great plant robinast!, I think it's not much smaller than our plant, need to wait a bit for the flowers.
btw did you notice the flower of our plant is different from normal astros flowers? petal's shape and also colour (do not know if it can be seen in the photo but they are much pale yellow than ornatum for example).
Quote from: Carlo & Daniele on Wednesday, 23 October 2013 - 19:06:10
I think it's not much smaller than our plant, need to wait a bit for the flowers.
It is, though - only three tubercle levels instead of your at least eight... Will teke several years before the flowers appear, I guess. My seedgrown ordinary ornatums started to flower on their 15th year of life, so...
Quotedid you notice the flower of our plant is different from normal astros flowers? petal's shape and also colour (do not know if it can be seen in the photo but they are much pale yellow than ornatum for example).
It's difficult to see the difference in color - but the shape is different indeed. :)
our plant is that one with 'Carlo & Daniele' written on it, the other big plant is from Paolo Panarotto
Quote from: Carlo & Daniele on Wednesday, 23 October 2013 - 19:35:00
our plant is that one with 'Carlo & Daniele' written on it, the other big plant is from Paolo Panarotto
I thought that you got this
plant (not
photo!) from Paolo Panarotto.... Then, your plant is not much bigger than mine indeed.
nooo he is the owner of the plant and the photo, actually its flowers are different from the one on our plant too
:)