Hello guys,
Here are a few questions about E. horyzonthalonius ....... try to help me please !!!
I'm about to sow this tricky plant and am studying the matter :o,
but can't understand how many are the principal varieties and cultivars :-[
On this forum have seen a lot of wonderfull plants but i'm not able to find those seeds,
any advice for a beginner ??? :)
Hello mikey,
these plants are not so difficult as you think!
Take a sieve into a cooking pot with warm wather.
Than you put your seeds into the sieve, so the most germs are away! The seeds which perish are germinable, the other are not germinable, i throw them away.
You not have to stratify, its not necessary!
Take the seeds into a pot, sterilize your substrate and took it into a plastic bag with sterilze-water!
After 10 weeks you can accustom the seedlings on frish air and you can fertilize them.
Some of my last seedlings:
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/04416.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2518&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/05313.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2519&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/04817.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2520&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/06713.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2521&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/07014.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2522&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/07214.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2523&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/07411.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2524&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/07812.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2525&u=13572287)
(https://i47.servimg.com/u/f47/13/57/22/87/03017.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2750&u=13572287)
When you search seed look at Steven Brake or so else.
Hope I have help you
Daniel
Sorry for being so late in the answer Ariocarpus,
I've been busy for a while . . . . . .
Your seedlings are amazing I relly like them
and thanks for sharing so many pictures :)
The last one with big plants looks like a dream !!!
How old are the Horizont. that I can see on those shelves ?
:)
Hello mikey,
the big plants are beetween 10-20 years.
the little seedlings are from last year!
Good evening!
Daniel
Edit: I hope you will show us your results here!
Hello to all of you guys,
from time to time I have been reading your messages to keep myself updated about new breeding techniques, and of course to learn as much as I could from your experiences ;)
Now I'm back to make you some more questions.
I built my germinator and bougth seeds of e. horizonthalonius, parry and polycephalus
and am planning to start in a couple of weeks, nevertheless I have a big issue
about the GERMINATION TEMPERATURES . . . I have alwayis thought this was more or less the right temperature range : 15°/16° C night and 29°/30° C daily,
but recently i received a mail from steven brack
that left me really confused, he said he said :
" these species need very high heat to sprout. ecc hor, parry and poly need temps of 45c or a bit more in the day, then down to normal summer ambient at night. the seeds lie in the soil in cracks between rocks, and the sun hits the soil and it gets very very hot. from time to time a huge thunderstorm hits and then the soil is very warm and wet for some days, this is when they sprout."
45°C or more in the day is a lot, possibly to much . . . :o
What's your experience, about germination temperatures, with these species ???
I would not boil seeds so hard to find !!! ???
Many thanks
We heard too that they need thermal excursion to make them sprout well.
Once we sew them in spring when temps in the greenhouse were about 40-45 during the day and about 15 at night and they sprout well.
Here I'am guys, beeing busy for a while working to my little project !!!
I want to show you my propagator, as you can see is homemade stuff,
but at the moment it works pretty good !!! :) :)
It has an heating cable of 50 watt and 3 fluorescent lamps !!!
I'm just in the middle of a challenging sowing (about 700 seeds for 30 field numbers ) :o
As you can see from the following pictures I'have had the first results after few days ::)
(first two pictures E. horizonthalonius, third one E. Polycephalus)
I'm really happy with the germinating rate the only thing that actually I'm worried
about Is when I'm suppose to get rid of the plastic bag ??? ??? ???
Of course I need to thank Ariocarpus who already gave me his advice (saying 10 weeks),
but I've been reading a lot on this subject and have seen many different points of view,
1)well experienced guys take off the bag soon after the germination
2) some others keep the bab for a couple of weeks
3) still others keep the bag until the occurrence of the first spines
4) Ariocarpus (please do not hold it against me) says 10 weeks
Anyone has the magic answer??? ;)
Hi Mikey, I think all valid viewpoints.
My experience is that in certain species, especially those with little or spination nudum, appreciate more humidity.
It's good to air them, so that your skin develops strong cuticle, but still requires high humidity environment.
Ariocarpus recommended 10 weeks, I think for the same reason.
Anyway, with 700 seeds can try different methods.
Best Regards
Fran
Hi Fran64,
Thanks for your contribution, as long as I can see
there are different approaches to the thing, and probably
all of them work if properly applied 8)
So I will try a couple of different approaches and see which one works better for me !!
The point is that I definitely want to avoid that plants go rotten,
and lacking of experience :( if it happens I might not have time to remedy :-\ !!!
A couple of questions to Ariocarpus ,
on the seedlings you showed me in the previous pictures :
1) How old are (were) they ??
2) Are they still in the bag ??
:D
hello mikey! very good results!
about the time you keep the seeedlings are you referring to echinocactus seedlings or seedlings in general?
cos we kept closed for more time the ariocarpus than astrophytum for example.
Thanks for sharing the pictures of your setup - great work!
Keep us updated (:
Dan
Hi Carlo & Daniele ,
I'm referring to echinocactus seedlings !!!
(The first I sowed are a couple of weeks old)
Many thanks danskibsted, just hope it works !!!
I'am really worried about rotting . . .
In my earlier experiment I have had some Ferocactus seedlings in the bag
for a long time untill the emergence of the first spines,
then I opened the bag up directly without acclimatization and had no problems at all !!!
But now . . . . . seeds were expensive, difficult to find
and have heard many people saying thay failed with horizonthalonius . . . . .
That's all ;)
I'd like to show you a strange thing ??? ???
What do you think about this pinkish polycephalus puppy ???
Any idea ??? :)
need to see it when it will grow a bit bigger...
Ok I'll keep you updated 8) 8)
And send a new picture in a few weeks !!!
Just a quick update :)
An overview of the current situation !!!
As you can see, having sown about 15 seeds for pot I'have had a good germination rate
(with the exception of a couple of pots from a different seed source) !!!
Seedlings are a couple of months old and to me they look great ;D
About 200 horizonthalonius are in open air, the same number is still in the bag !!!
This pot shows some very good looking ones ;D ;D
keep up the good work! :)
Some more pictures :
8)
Nicholii
Parry
Polycephalus
Subikii
Xeranthemoides
\O/
You did a good job, congratulations!
great seedlings!!! compliments!
Hi Mikey, beautiful seedlings, which works better ? air or bag ....
and pink polycephalus as evolved ?
Regards
Quote from: Fran64 on Saturday, 09 March 2013 - 19:03:38
Hi Mikey, beautiful seedlings, which works better ? air or bag ....
and pink polycephalus as evolved ?
Regards
Thanks :)
Idon't know which works better . . .seedlings are too yong !
Pink poly evolved in "variegated" seedling (not sure about that)
actually it is half pale green half whitish/pinkish, but still in the bag.
As soon as it comes out of the bag I'll take a picture !
I see now that jars are not the best way of handling the "hard" species. They take too much space. I'm also curious which works better! Anyway - good job. :)
I want to show you my first grafting attempt . . .
E. Horizonthalonius SNL94 on pereskiopsis . . .
Graft took quite a bit to heal but at the end it worked
(there are 30 days difference between first and second picture)
The growing ratio is still speeding up . . . it's awesome :o
Following picture shows the difference
between grafted and own roots seedlings :)
Some updates on my sowing :
8)
I picked up some pots from the propagator just to show you some interesting features,
(seedligs are same age, 7 months)
picture 1 group photo
picture 2 Rancho la Campana, supposed to be without spines, at the moment I see no differences
picture 3 Subiki , they definitely grow up smaller than the other seedlings
picture 4 Horizonth. from Tula (tamaulipas) very well growing even though spines are so tiny
picture 5 horizont. Tangue Menchaca , very nice spines and good size
picture 6/7 Nicholii , nice size and a lovely surprise
picture 8/9 Parryi and Poly, they grow quicker than Horizonth.
One more picture :D
hello mikey,
very good results! are you still keeping them in the propagator?
Maybe they are big enough to be put outside...
How long are you keeping them under lamps?
thanks
Hello guys,
Yes . . . I'm still keeping them in the propagator ,
I think they are big enough to stay outside but at the moment
I have no chance to set them up properly . . . :(
I live in a very small flat with no place for seedlings pots and shade cloth,
I should move them to my country house, where all of my cactus live outdoor,
but the place is too "wild" for seedlings so I decided to build a greenhouse,
until then I have no choice :-[
12 night /12 day !!! 8)
Hello guys,
Some update . . . 8) :
Many of them died in the last year, I would say about 20/25%,
remaining seedlings are enjoing the sprimg summer,
and I think that after 15/17 months are finally out of danger !!!
Now they are in full sun , as soon as sun gets too hot I will use some shadowing net ;D
First picture is a parryi, second one polycephalus, third one horizonthalonius ...
They live like geraniums hanging from the balcony \O/