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Cactus Cultivars => Astrophytum Cultivars => koh-yo => Topic started by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 31 October 2011 - 14:04:49

Title: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 31 October 2011 - 14:04:49
usually koh-yo are nudum forms, but crossing them with onzuka or other plants you can obtain nice white koh-yo forms:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xWLsu7GiRTI/SyzZkpd8RVI/AAAAAAAAA60/zHrr9O2u8SA/s576/CIMG2093.JPG)

this is the bottom part of a graft producing nice coloured offsets:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-a-rRV7kfTOg/Tq6cNwq0V0I/AAAAAAAAFVs/dhiTGqdHQgU/s512/31102011304.jpg)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Frank on Monday, 31 October 2011 - 21:51:00
Carlo & Daniele
Very nice plant !

My Onzuka-khoyo was very good once but changed appearance.
It was good
(https://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/47728/2597633960044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2597633960044113659Dfongf)
Changed
(https://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/44850/2126707640044113659S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2126707640044113659QtZEpI)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Tuesday, 01 November 2011 - 13:49:24
Yes Frank, when they are young they are better, but some of them mantain a good appearance.
These are own roots ones, starting changing colour:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--OznusczYak/Tq_m3bLl1NI/AAAAAAAAFWA/uIf9icJYH9Y/s512/01112011305.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tGHPlFrUZts/Tq_m4-TAmpI/AAAAAAAAFWM/I_vLcHe-aw4/s512/01112011306.jpg)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Saturday, 05 November 2011 - 17:24:38
another small onzuka koh-yo:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zL8VxllU5EE/TrViaUE3tTI/AAAAAAAAFY0/QPbtOpQBUKg/s512/05112011329.jpg)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Nata Ellis on Thursday, 29 December 2011 - 20:00:42
my one :)

2 years old seedling...

Regards,
Nata Ellis
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 18:54:42
Hi Nata, Lovely...
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: marazz53 on Tuesday, 03 January 2012 - 21:13:04
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VBBAYbvBc9U/TXFTDe2LesI/AAAAAAAAhyY/z1Wzj1k_fWY/s640/215-Astrophytum-myriostigma-cv.-Onzuka-%252527KIKKO%252527.jpg)
Astrophytum myriostigma cv. Onzuka "KIKKO" koh-yo
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: marazz53 on Tuesday, 03 January 2012 - 21:17:02
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-cqpAXk8DjHo/TXFTMBbMsGI/AAAAAAAAhyg/tmPLqp0hc6I/s640/216-Astrophytum-myriostigma-cv.-Onzuka-%252527KIKKO%252527.jpg)
Astrophytum myriostigma cv. Onzuka "KIKKO" koh-yo
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: cortona on Thursday, 05 January 2012 - 19:01:01
really a  greath plants and it show some really realy greath future possibility!
if you have seeds of this plants or from the same cross....let me know, i'm really really interested!
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Thursday, 05 January 2012 - 19:03:53
Mario you are a lucky man, your plant is wonderful!
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: marazz53 on Thursday, 05 January 2012 - 20:28:57
Hi cortona, THANKS for your appreciation. Yes, I will let you know. This minute, I just went upstairs, into the greenhouse in the cold (8C) to check the history of this plant for you. The seeds came from C&D (Italy). I sawed those seeds on 28-4-2010, grafted it on Hylocereus undatus on 26-7-2010 and than I regrafted it again on 17-5-2011 on Trichocereus macrogonus, a solid TURBO engine. Happy??? ;)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: marazz53 on Thursday, 05 January 2012 - 20:36:28
Hi C&D, thanks. As I told you the last time in Picasa, you call me lucky if I win the super 5, or a big lottery. By the way, that is one of your seeds. Two came out like that, but this is really wonderful and I like it. THANKS... ;)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: cortona on Friday, 06 January 2012 - 13:12:42
realy happy;-)
let it grow! and if you have two of this.....cross it cross it! i think all us are curius about how nice can be the soons of this plant!
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Tuesday, 10 April 2012 - 19:12:19
few other nice plants:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-t2s2pylpV58/T4RoBDujs4I/AAAAAAAAF5Q/e3bogxHt_CM/s512/10042012713.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ISLSBlfzU6g/T4RoSdm4_WI/AAAAAAAAF50/2P-Tjtxjmqk/s512/10042012715.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CPg5Phk5apU/T4RompKcRqI/AAAAAAAAF6w/w2GpqPA8-9s/s512/10042012718.jpg)
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: danskibsted on Tuesday, 10 April 2012 - 19:29:36
Very nice plants! I see that many of your seedlings are grafted on selenicereus. How does this stock grow  compared to pereskiopsis and hylocereus?
Good work
Dan
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Tuesday, 10 April 2012 - 20:09:18
hello Dan, growth on peresk is stronger at the beginning but when it loses leaves it is quite calm, and with the initial pumping you can notice characters then after disappear. Selenicereus is more stable, but growth is slower. Personally we do not use hylocereus cos it's very weak for our weather.
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: danskibsted on Wednesday, 11 April 2012 - 07:51:26
Thank you for the explanation! I like the idea of more stabile slow growth, because then you don't have to regraft.
Dan
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: AstrophytumCultivars.com on Wednesday, 11 April 2012 - 10:09:02
Quote from: danskibsted on Tuesday, 10 April 2012 - 19:29:36
Very nice plants! I see that many of your seedlings are grafted on selenicereus. How does this stock grow  compared to pereskiopsis and hylocereus?
Good work
Dan

Hello danskibsted, I read some article that Pereskiopsis is not very good stock to Astrophytum seedlings. And from my experience I can say that its true. I obtained some selenicereus'es and hylocereus'es and I have very high probability of success with Selenicereus. Even 2 years after grafting, grafted plant is very vital. Comparing to pereskiopis, grafted plant is not making offsets as it is on Pereskiopsis. I like Selenicereus most for young seedlings, older plants could be better regrafted to Eriocereus, Echinopsis eyriesii or Trichocereus pasacana. -> or completely degrafted.
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: danskibsted on Wednesday, 11 April 2012 - 19:43:29
Hi Tokra,
Thank you for your message.
I produce 200-300 pereskiopsis grafts every winter. I find that astrophytum grow very well om pereskiopsis, if you remember to give the pereskiopsis stocks the correct treatment regarding fertilizer and water - They do not always like to be treated like other graftingstocks or cacti in general. I usually see the first flowers within 6-10 months from seed, and a good steady growth for the first year untill I regraft on more solid stocks.
I guess stocks don't behave the same way in all climates - some stocks work for me and not for others (:
I am looking for another stock for seedlings that can take lower temperatures than pereskiopsis, since our winters are cold an long. I guess selenicereus is more cold-resistent?
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Wednesday, 11 April 2012 - 19:58:39
I think so yes, no spots on almost all the grafted plants, peresk usually have some spots, but inside are green.
This winter we lost principally peresk, not so many selenicereus.
Minimum temperatures in the greenhouse about 4-5 °C.
Title: Re: myrio koh-yo white forms
Post by: AstrophytumCultivars.com on Thursday, 12 April 2012 - 16:25:45
Quote from: danskibsted on Wednesday, 11 April 2012 - 19:43:29
Hi Tokra,
Thank you for your message.
I produce 200-300 pereskiopsis grafts every winter. I find that astrophytum grow very well om pereskiopsis, if you remember to give the pereskiopsis stocks the correct treatment regarding fertilizer and water - They do not always like to be treated like other graftingstocks or cacti in general. I usually see the first flowers within 6-10 months from seed, and a good steady growth for the first year untill I regraft on more solid stocks.
I guess stocks don't behave the same way in all climates - some stocks work for me and not for others (:
I am looking for another stock for seedlings that can take lower temperatures than pereskiopsis, since our winters are cold an long. I guess selenicereus is more cold-resistent?

I think Selenicereus is better, also some of my cactus colleagues from cactus society in our capitol city told me that selenicerus is quite proof, not frost proof, but better proof than Pereskiopis. but there is also existing one pereskiopsis with some flocks or better say wool, and they should be quite proof to cold condition. I think best is Echinopsis eyriesii - grafted plant grows quite fast as on other types -> some people say that it can be used as permanent stock. Trichocereus pasacana should be also hardly frost proof to -10°C (http://www.getnet.net/~richarde/cactusstore/Cold%20Hardy%20Cacti.htm), but growth of grafted plants is very slow, almost same as they would be on their own roots (but this lead to natural shape and beauty of plant).