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Cactus Cultivars => Astrophytum Cultivars => asterias cultivars => Topic started by: Frank on Sunday, 30 October 2011 - 21:21:19

Title: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Sunday, 30 October 2011 - 21:21:19
The character of hanazono is normally appeared when a plant became a mature age.
When you grafted the plant, the character would appear earlier and  was exaggerated.
The history of hanazono cultivar is unknown.

Grafted plant (with a short stock buried in pottingmix)
(https://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/47129/2233115690044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2233115690044113659qHNFoQ)
Own-root  seedlings
(https://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/49473/2637573610044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2637573610044113659AUMnyr)
super kabuto seedlings
Starting to show hanazono character
(https://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/49279/2819735380044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2819735380044113659nDPOmP)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: sharkxing on Thursday, 03 November 2011 - 19:10:57
(https://i39.tinypic.com/flizko.jpg)

(https://i42.tinypic.com/znvl9e.jpg)

(https://i42.tinypic.com/2nbexpt.jpg)

(https://i41.tinypic.com/2r7r144.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Thursday, 03 November 2011 - 19:36:42
Really nice plants Frank and sharkxing!
superkabuto hanazono are really nice and not easy to find or obtain, these are two seedlings from superkabuto hanazono as motherplant:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_pfhkTVtKUs/Tl0Qj_Pg-FI/AAAAAAAAE_I/rMtSiMUeTOg/s512/30082011124.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FR9eoJMIaVw/Tl0QlGVsUDI/AAAAAAAAE_M/XmeHi3kEZoo/s512/30082011125.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: cortona on Thursday, 03 November 2011 - 21:09:08
that is my ungrafted hanazonokabuto
(https://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm4/cortonafoto/010-1.jpg)
that is one of the grafted
(https://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm4/cortonafoto/008-1.jpg)
this for me is the first year i can obtain seeds from my plants so i'm very in hury to sow it!
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: fanecchissimo on Saturday, 05 November 2011 - 13:44:29
i do have one wich is a little fertile as female, not so marked but produced to me some tenth seedlings as female.. will see how they do grow. not grafting them for now.

will post photo asap :)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: vandessel1962 on Saturday, 12 November 2011 - 21:00:24
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-fVC1kuWss_w/Tr7PmGeydCI/AAAAAAAAEIE/M1aklpYuuQ4/s800/PICT2214.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dG4QhLFt9JY/Tr7PnCIYUoI/AAAAAAAAEIE/e1iX9LcJinE/s800/PICT2216.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Ikaanw07Lrs/TiCruXzxDGI/AAAAAAAADlA/QtCTtk6z7dw/s800/BILD1457.jpg)

hanazono with flowers !
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Sunday, 13 November 2011 - 04:28:47
This is own root hanazono kabuto.
It has started to show hanazono chracter and to increase number of ribs.
The current size is 15 cm diameter but I hope it reches to 20 cm or more.
When you crossed so many time, the body of kabuto became smaller.
I think this one was not crossed so many times.

(https://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/39586/2892119620044113659S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2892119620044113659cJQBBO)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: cortona on Sunday, 13 November 2011 - 10:01:36
ooohhhhh sooo beautiful...the big size caracter is something i hope to find in my plants...i dislike so much the ones that are undersized, it looks so ..miserable...
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: xwa27 on Tuesday, 15 November 2011 - 18:45:24
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Uib_HbK4KtQ/SnRXhz8bqxI/AAAAAAAAAD8/IhKqB-WsVks/s720/100_4122.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-52eij4nsq_s/Sq6gp0Pg5_I/AAAAAAAAArY/VlZWOAz4rhU/s720/100_4953.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Dp4O9ZNuBPY/Sq6ittAcKFI/AAAAAAAAAsc/HplzkzltD5M/s720/100_4916.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eHGNQS_p5Ms/S6J4tj4mpMI/AAAAAAAAB8c/u2B0iILt3_M/s720/005.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rXhlQyN_pjE/TsKekj4frQI/AAAAAAAAFs8/WC0Os_q53-k/s720/033.JPG)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: dag on Tuesday, 15 November 2011 - 21:43:54
Sandro, THE star shaped ones are really impressive.

Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: fanecchissimo on Wednesday, 16 November 2011 - 11:12:10
i think that a part of size is epigenetic (pump it and give it time! ;D), but effectively i do have some SK with are now growing taller, and not larger... >:(

so probably some genetic traits are involved...

i noticed that most of star flat asterias grow bigger than the normal ones... is this the reason for their price?
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: marazz53 on Sunday, 20 November 2011 - 22:56:19
@ Frank, sharkxing, vandessel1962:, xwa27 and cortona.  C & D, yours are promising too.

Beautiful plants guys...
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Monday, 21 November 2011 - 01:26:19
The original miracle kabuto was star shape, a large plant.
http://www.shaboten.com/Pict/miracle0.jpg (http://www.shaboten.com/Pict/miracle0.jpg)
I think star shaped kabutos are mixed with some miracle gene in history.
Whey your crossed kabutos manytimes, plant size becomes small.
All Japanese kabutos have been crossed manytimes already and body sizes are small.
They have tried to regain size and started to use Calles kabuto (F1).
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Nata Ellis on Saturday, 10 December 2011 - 05:57:21
colour variation...
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: kikko on Saturday, 10 December 2011 - 17:09:54
one of mine..
(https://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/38832_147055915308608_100000126016157_456369_6759417_n.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: kikko on Saturday, 10 December 2011 - 17:10:37
(https://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/38131_147055995308600_100000126016157_456375_3339553_n.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: fanecchissimo on Sunday, 11 December 2011 - 21:05:57
@ Parchis

nice nice nice nice nice nice! :)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: AstrophytumCultivars.com on Thursday, 05 April 2012 - 09:40:40
Here is mine:
(https://files.cactus-love.webnode.sk/200000468-1b8b41c860-public/IMG_3362.jpg)
\O/

Parents are JAPAN imports
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 14 May 2012 - 21:53:37
superkabuto V-type hanazono

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8VVhgX2XAbg/T7FgaoCUsKI/AAAAAAAAGHI/u_7hEVOWYIg/s437/06052012778.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: xwa27 on Thursday, 24 May 2012 - 20:47:44
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9D2zBCLqg3A/T759P5KgiiI/AAAAAAAAGhE/VVXrlM-G8lw/s800/034.JPG)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 11 June 2012 - 19:42:59
hanazono in flower today!

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RwGTO60kBm0/T9Yor_m4sHI/AAAAAAAAGQo/-_jhvxJ3scQ/s536/11062012927.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: marazz53 on Monday, 11 June 2012 - 21:13:22
Hi C&D, Lovely plants...
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 25 June 2012 - 16:41:58
and the superkabuto hanazono V-type in flower too:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--FPsY859pY0/T-h1M8QqfhI/AAAAAAAAGZY/V09EJxDu5Os/s509/25062012972.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Thursday, 11 July 2013 - 17:12:09
here it is a five ribs form, hope it will mantain them also when bigger:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5OYX_s2R4tY/Ud7I4TyHRxI/AAAAAAAAK64/S2zimbV1_nc/w550-h553-no/100720132238.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Tuesday, 03 September 2013 - 01:22:21
two other nice plants:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OwuaVRCjKkI/UiUarYE9dJI/AAAAAAAALhE/WNPJg8DgW4Q/w515-h553-no/020920132622.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: robinast on Tuesday, 03 September 2013 - 05:24:02
Great plants! Make me pretty jealous... ;)
Title: Re:
Post by: AstrophytumCultivars.com on Thursday, 26 September 2013 - 09:55:39
Here is mine in flower
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OURk4Xp__Ek/UcDINkPSPPI/AAAAAAAAFYU/sy_4DKsvGjs/w984-h767-no/e_r_IMG_8351.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: AstrophytumCultivars.com on Wednesday, 06 May 2015 - 13:36:09
(https://scontent-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11102756_1642216879341472_5698392042001985324_n.jpg?oh=4a2b5046754f60b0b09879b245c92f93&oe=55BF372D)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1977106_1604182153144945_2075651649020634879_n.jpg?oh=361dbe540b3d8efc33dcf0396a54f1ac&oe=55D61A60&__gda__=1440235274_205727b3ad6165ee570fcccd9e0791f3)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1510877_1604182169811610_1831187552463060452_n.jpg?oh=da407524a3e6f7036652d45db8f57777&oe=55DD3963&__gda__=1438874889_2ad5e7ffea4e165b904f3260ff9cf38e)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 12 October 2015 - 18:26:00
(https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/s960x960/12113270_444601532396963_4448536815890198886_o.jpg)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Monday, 12 October 2015 - 23:36:58
It is the flowering season of asterias currently in here.
(https://box.c.yimg.jp/res/box-s-xos677pzbgareyol3wk3lnrroi-1001?uid=d0240631-7d05-4c22-a346-e9e9a8740a7c&etag=ed91810e1444638135335993)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Friday, 16 October 2015 - 23:10:45
nice Frank! Nice to see astros in flower when here arios are ending their flowering season :)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Wednesday, 27 January 2016 - 22:27:26
I have tried to develop a red flowering hanazono kabuto.
The photo is a grafted 1st filial one, just 1 year old.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C1NM5cfbFfw/Vqk0RmQZCWI/AAAAAAAADzo/fjZMK0rmONQ/s512-Ic42/IMG_2061.JPG)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Thursday, 28 January 2016 - 21:28:08
very nice Frank, we tried the same in the past with no big success. Do you have other plants in flower?
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Friday, 29 January 2016 - 23:22:20
Yes I do.
I grafted 24 seedlings in total.

Hanazono kabuto x red flowering asterias-12
Red flowering asterias x hanazono kabuto-12

I have attached their photo.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Cq2svqZyGus/VqvkQR99bhI/AAAAAAAAD08/k6Zzw6vI4cw/s640-Ic42/IMG_2065.JPG)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 01 February 2016 - 17:20:24
Great view Frank.
It seems all of them are soft red flowering, or did you notice a difference between the two cross?
And the hanazono character is carried put most when it is used as mother or father in this case?

many thanks
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Frank on Wednesday, 03 February 2016 - 03:34:37
Flower color: No difference between both crosses
Hanazono character: Only 1 scion shows hanazono character at moment, which is hanazono kabuto x red flowering asterias.
Since hanazono character is normally shown in a mature age, I have to wait a while.
They are still 1 year old.
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: dag on Sunday, 07 February 2016 - 20:55:46
beautifull ! great succes rate !
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Simon on Tuesday, 09 February 2016 - 22:54:52
These are some great results Frank. Beautiful plants.
I tried the same cross, the Red flower was the seed parent because it seems less common for the red trait to breed true. The two parents were my top individuals of each type, the hanazono has strong genes and shows its character from small size. It took a year to have the two in flower at the same time and only produced about a dozen seeds that made around 8 seedlings. The first plant flowered recently with nice colour....now just hoping the Hanazono character comes through aswell. This one is off setting so it can be propagated if it looks good for both traits.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1704/24923968405_5130ae8e17_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DYrRtc)
Title: Re: hanazono kabuto
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Wednesday, 10 February 2016 - 23:45:13
great topic! hanazono trait is not so easy, we tried the same few years ago, need to see if we labelled correctly.