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Cactus Cultivars => Pests and diseases: products and solutions => Topic started by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:47:19

Title: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:47:19
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Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:49:56
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Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:51:42
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Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:53:30
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Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:55:20
Hi ALL Astro growers, anyone knows the cure for this problem...THANKS... 99% of my plants are grown from seeds by myself...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: Arioandi on Saturday, 31 December 2011 - 20:56:57
It seems to be a big problem in your collection. At what temperature do you keep the Astros during wintertime?
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Sunday, 01 January 2012 - 19:20:06
i knew this problem. i had to throw away some plants,(i was crying)

after i destroyed all the infected plants i had no problem again.

i usually let the greenhouse to go below 0°C, this helps, in my opinion...

they talked to me really good about long lasting triazoles, because they don't let the fungus produce spore, and the replication is blocked...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Sunday, 01 January 2012 - 20:22:40
Hi Andi & fanecchissimo,
THANKS for your opinions...
I'm putting all my cards on the table re my problem:
1st. 99% of my cacti collection, are grown from seeds by myself.
2nd. This is on Astrophytums ONLY after 27 years.
3rd. Not on all astros, BUT on the NEW cultivars from China, Japan and Thailand (Cuttings).
4th. Also from seeds (Astros. NEW cultivars) from: Czechoslovakia, Germany, Italy and Malta.
5th. I do not heat my greenhouses.
6th. In January temperature goes down to 0C inside the greenhouse.
7th. I never had this problem in 27 years.
8th. Marks are only on the outside and not inside.
THANKS again for your HELP...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Sunday, 01 January 2012 - 22:04:37
i noticed too that some plants are genetically susceptible from this pathology. good plants don't. for this i actually buy quite only seeds, and select if i see some wich become spotted... i destroy them.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: cortona on Sunday, 01 January 2012 - 22:05:45
i can give you my little 20 cents of experience: the problem are humidity, wen it stay too much on the plant surface in form of water and temps drop near 0 ° the result are this you can find this brown spot just in place were umidity can stay so no apex. let me know if this match your observations.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Sunday, 01 January 2012 - 22:17:21
Hi fanecchissimo, THANKS for your opinion. I did not understand 1 answer from you, "good plants don't"? As I said, the cuttings are all from good plants, (offsets) and the seeds too.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Sunday, 01 January 2012 - 22:25:15
Hi cortona, THANKS for your opinion. I will do anything to stop this problem of mine. I will put a drop of water on a nice plant and see what happens and let you know.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: Arioandi on Monday, 02 January 2012 - 07:13:13
I had the same or similar spots on a big A. asterias 'Ooibo Ruri Kabuto'. Normally I heat the greenhouse to 10-12°C in wintertime, last winter only 8°C. The plant was from Thailand.

I thought, 8°C was to cold for this plant. Maybe the plant had also an infection with a virus. Maybe the virus made the spots.

It is possible, that with lower temperatures the air humidity becoms higher, so little condensate can be on the plant, so fungus infections have a perfect climat.

Anyway, that are just considerations. I lost the plant in spring...

Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Monday, 02 January 2012 - 14:57:20
@marazz:i noticed that just some of the plants has spots, even from good parents, and if i find those, i destroy them.

in my greenhouse the problem was worse in the summer, so i don't know if cold is the problem.

i once tried with anti transpirants, but the result was a total disaster... more spots than ever..
so maybe it is a problem of transpiration...

but i am not a big expert...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: Carlo & Daniele on Monday, 02 January 2012 - 15:42:32
hello!
according to our experience, this problem is more serious on nudum forms. On white forms the problem probably is latent and they do not show it on the skin. Personally we think it's due to humidity and lack of air. This year we put some plants outside the greenhouse in full sun and it seams that dry air, direct sun and rain works good on them.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Monday, 02 January 2012 - 19:26:22
THANKS, Andi, fanecchissimo and C&D for your opinions. Last week I sprayed ALL my plant with "Previcur", maybe it helps and I bought another fungicide (Ganzo) to try it too, I will spray them ALL again next week.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Monday, 02 January 2012 - 19:33:56
miclobutanil (ganzo) is a triazole, the kind i suppose should work in some way.

i can't find information of t 1/2 of it... sorry.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Monday, 02 January 2012 - 20:20:00
Hi fanecchissimo, THANKS for your interest. I bought it cos I made a survey of what use to come to Malta and now they stopped them cos of the European rules. What I did I asked my wives's brother who is a farmer what is the equivalent of "Saprol" cos I use to hear his father that they use to use it against rust on onions, so I said I'll give it a try, so I had to buy it to try it. I will let you know about the experiments that I'm doing and the result. I bought this Ganzo about 4 months ago, but I was trying other products and I was quite busy in the greenhouse. Re information I have a leaflet with the product...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Tuesday, 03 January 2012 - 20:54:41
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Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Tuesday, 03 January 2012 - 20:56:54
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Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Wednesday, 04 January 2012 - 00:39:09
if you want to save the plant, you can go for a surgical removal.

to me it works 80% of the times. but you will have  recurrence in 2-3 years, if the plant is susceptible...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Thursday, 05 January 2012 - 18:10:13
Hi fanecchissimo, thanks. I have already tried that, please see the second photo of this topic. I will check what happened.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Saturday, 07 January 2012 - 19:14:24
usually you don't need so much tissue to be destroyed. jut the one near the spot!
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Friday, 27 January 2012 - 19:55:08
Hi ALL, This evening I have just sprayed ALL my plants with Ganzo. It took me 2 hours+. I hope I will have an improvement.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Friday, 27 January 2012 - 20:03:54
did you try to use a great ventilator about 12 hours per day to avoid condensation? maybe it should help.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Friday, 27 January 2012 - 20:35:36
Hi fanecchissimo, I used nothing. To-day, it was a beautiful sunny day and I found the time and sprayed ALL. To-morrow should be a beautiful day too, cos the clouds in the evening had red markings. I will open the windows in the morning and the water will dry. THANKS...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Tuesday, 31 January 2012 - 22:59:59
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Removed them from the greenhouse and put them out on the roof.
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koh-yo???...OR...COLD???. They were green in the greenhouse.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Monday, 26 March 2012 - 22:16:10
Hi ALL, Finally, we came to a conclusion about this problem, and we think it's from the cold...These past 2 winters were very cold here in Malta...Especially were I live, here in Dingli...THANKS ALL...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Tuesday, 01 May 2012 - 20:42:11
what about ganzo results?
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Tuesday, 01 May 2012 - 21:06:30
Hi fanecchissimo, nothing happened. I think it's the cold and humidity. I will soon upload some photos that made me cry.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Wednesday, 02 May 2012 - 10:05:14
ok, thank you a lot for sharing your experience.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Saturday, 23 June 2012 - 15:20:10
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Inside the greenhouse last winter (Stock = Myrtillocactus geometrizans)
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Inside the greenhouse last winter (Stock = Myrtillocactus geometrizans)
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Inside the greenhouse last winter (Stock = Myrtillocactus geometrizans)
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Outside the greenhouse last winter (Stock = Eriocereus jusbertii)
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Outside the greenhouse last winter (Stock = Myrtillocactus geometrizans)
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Thursday, 28 June 2012 - 14:48:07
ty for sharing. cold is a big deal for myrtillo.. that's why i don't love it so much.
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Thursday, 28 June 2012 - 23:51:07
Hi fanecchissimo, also inside the green house I had problems with it. I'm testing other stocks to see which is the best stock for my place.
I think the place has to be kept in consideration too. I like it as stock, but you can see my results. I threw away 3 boxes in the dust bin due to this problem, and had to start all over again...Sorry I did not show more photos, cos I really was pissed off...
That's life, you have to struggle to succeed, I do not give up very easily...I'll try again...
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: fanecchissimo on Friday, 29 June 2012 - 08:59:18
never give up!
;)
Title: Re: Brown spots problem with Astrophytum cultivars...
Post by: marazz53 on Friday, 29 June 2012 - 11:31:28

Hi fanecchissimo, OK...thanks.