hello everybody!
We noticed grafted plants grow better on a stock than on another.
For example from another topic on this section, ferocactus glaucescens works very good for caput medusae and it has been distributed all over the world on that stock. Have you got other experience with other stocks and scions?
thank you all
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any sk or onzuka will do well on opuntia humifusa(compressa).
it gives a flat ball shape and a really white body.
problem... not so explosive growth.
obviously not interesting if you want to select seeds... but my best shaped onzuka grew on that....
From my point of view, I find Hylocereus undatus very good. On H. undatus my A. caput-medusae flowered in 5 months from seed. A. asterias, (my creation) flowered in 3 months from seed. Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus flowered in 3 months from seed. I use many different stocks. I graft on the first stock that shows me progress. I have only one problem with Eriocereus jusbertii, cos, sometimes it starts to produce black spots and that makes me change the stock. Some people use like silver dust, they use it after grafting, they put it on the fresh cuts. We do not find it for sale here in Malta - Europe.
thanks for your messages fanec and Mario!
For the others that will post their experience, could you please put also the place where you live (if you like), like Mario did?
Because we think it's quite important with regard to the behaviour to low temperatures.
thanks
i've experimented with many many rootstock(i live in central italy, with temps as low as -8) i've started grafting with opuntia fragilis that is a nice rootstock but as fanecchissimo tel us grow rate are quite slow, the good side of the thingh is that you save the natural shape of the scion and you probably gain some cold resistence.
i've grafted a lot with mirtillocactus geometrizan and it looks to me as the easiest one to use, it are compatible with almost everithings, the growtrate are nice for my climate but is not cold resistent: it can be almost burned by low temps if the plant are not bone dry but in case it is in spring the growing restart are really really slowcompared to other and sometime the plants grafted on myrtillo show the tendency to go columnar(i dont know if it's genetic and mirtillo enance it or it is simply the grafting that have this problem.
i've tryed tricocereus skidkenanzii too(i hope is the correct name) and some ibryd of it as a rootstock but despite it are almost undistructable as a plant in itself wen i've tryed it as a rootstock it have failed more tan one time! grow rate are not so good, it is more difficult to handle tan mirtillo, and worst of all it collaps after some year(3 usually); the same problem happened to a friend cacty colector that live norther of me. i have to point that grower that live in southern italy use almost this tricocereus with nice results and really fast grow rate so i think it is a climate related issue.
i have a single eperience with ylocereus and it show a monstruose growing rate! fantastic! i dream of having the possibility to use it without the fear of cold temps in mynd! in hot climate it is an almost permanent stock but here were i live it is just a dream(wel if one have the money to warm costantly a greenhouse over 10°c it is feasable but is out of my bdget)
one of the best graft stock i've ever ancountered are harisia jusbertii:it have a reasonable growing rate(if you use a bi size rootstock the growing rate can be quite good)the life span of the graftstock are really long and probably longer tan the one of the astros; it have good cold tollerance(or at least it have it inside my gh) and respect the shape of the scion as opunzia do.
it is easy to produce it via cuttings but at the same time is easy to reproduce it via seeds(a little trick is that if you want an harisia plants to produce frits and viable seeds you have to pollinate it with echinopsis oxigona pollen).
I've never tryed echinopsis pachanoi(yes i know...we know it as a tricocereus but now it is an echinopsis) lots of people in colder climate tan my use it with good result but i've just one plants of it and ...i like so much harisia that i like my pach uncutted!
i use echinopsis pachanoi too. but the growth is not as fast as i hoped... >:(
Hi to ALL...As C & D said, the place where you live is very important, that is why I put in my country, cos not all stocks can take the punishment of the weather. Here in Malta - Europe, Hylocereus undatus grows well in the gardens and in the fields, while in cold places you can forget it. I can't grow H. undatus outside my greenhouse cos in winter the temperature goes down to 0 Centigrade, while in other places further down here, it's OK. I use about 8 different stocks.
Cool topic and great info everybody!!
Down here in Melbourne we get a few frosts a year and the growing season is from September to early May. Because of quarantine it is very hard to import plants here so I grow most of my cv. plants from seeds.
For seedling I started with Pereskiopsis. This stock is good to graft tiny seedlings like aztekium, it produces fast growth and you can propagate a lot of stocks in a short time. It will often cause some scions,like A.asterias, to make offsets that can be removed and regrafted onto something like Harrisia. Problems are the millions of tiny spines, constantly having to remove shoots,mite infestations and it can be hard to cut the stock out when you want to degraft the scion. I find that if you treat this stock like a normal plant, lots of water/fertilizer,large pot, repot every couple of years and a stake to stop it falling over you can grow scions to 15-20cm diameter in a couple of years.
Another thing I like to do is graft on top of a T.pachinoi about a meter tall. This makes very fast growth on species that are slow growing. I did this with things like Pelecyphora and then cut the offsets to use for cuttings. I also do this with crests and they look interesting, a bit like a standard rose. Growth is really fast and and scion can grow huge but not much flowering.
I now produce a lot of Harissia. It was a slow process, it took two years to find some cuttings then another year to flower, I pollinated with Echinopsis seminuda, four months fruit ripening and then two and half years to grow from seed to grafting size. As seedling this species grows bending and uneven until it is about 30cm tall. The straight growth it makes after that looks better as a stock and you can graft onto unrooted segments. I use elastic stocking material to hold scions on and find it easy to hook the material over the spines. At first I was impatient with this stock so about a year ago I tried grafting some three week old seedlings onto six week old Harrissia seedlings. The result were interesting(see pics) and it was a fast and easy process.
Always wondered about that spineless Harissia stock that C+D posted about on the Astromania forum, does it make seeds or offset?
Recently I did a few dozen grafts on Lamaircereus pruinosis. Result was very fast growth and I think that this stock has a two month longer growing season here compared to Harrisia. The shape of this stock makes it a bit difficult to work with.
I have not tried O.compressa it is strictly prohibited for import because it can become a weed. But I did try some O.clavaroidies scions on O.ficus-indica stocks with nice results.
Also have not tried Selenicereus or Hylocreus because I think it is a bit cold here for it to perform well.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6603082717_5442b3305e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36369542@N04/6603082717/)
Pelecyphora asseliformis
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6603082727_89bb958763.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36369542@N04/6603082727/)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6603089921_99b5685894.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36369542@N04/6603089921/)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4vcV8bnXOn4/TT8zud1SBKI/AAAAAAAAgUU/YzytvQD97zw/s640/198-Lophophora-alberto-vojtechii--SLP.jpg)
Lophophora alberto vojtechii SLP. ( I grafted it on E. jusbertii).
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Some grafts of 2010. (Various types of rootstock).
great grafts Mario!
If you have could you post some results of the same cactus species grafted at the same time but on different stocks?
It will be very interesting!
Hello all,
I'm from Chile, south America.
Lemme tell you about my experience with grafting stocks. I started grafting about 2 years ago, with good success rates about 1 year ago I guess. I have used several grafting stocks such as pereskiopsis sp (the one everyone uses, what's its name again?) harrisia jusbertii, echinopsis, myrtillocactus and a couple of selenicereus. The ones that brought me the best results are Pereskiopsis, Myrtillocactus and Harrisia jusbertii.
Pereskiopsis are great for seedlings (as you all know) and I also find that harrisia works perfectly with some seedlings because of its 'super-glue'. For bigger plants, to make it look better or to keep them as a definitive grafting stock I recommend Myrtillocactus geometrizans.
Here I show some pictures of my graftings :)
Opuntia subulata (new generation grafting technique)
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Pereskiopsis (Uebelmannia pectinifera)
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Harrisia jusbertii (Astro caput-medusae seedling)
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Myrtillocactus geometrizans (Aztekium hintonii)
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Greetings to all,
Victor
Great grafts! compliments!
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Photo taken in January 2012.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-45mnDz-Bq6A/T1o5-zbNJVI/AAAAAAAAsX4/g5l1iRyncOA/s640/362.jpg)
Photo taken in January 2012.
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Photo taken in January 2012.
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Photo taken in January 2012.
The last 2 plants are pyrrocactus aren't they???, loock very nice and helthy...
great plants Mario! Are they 2 y.o.?
Hi kikko, the last 2 plants are Eriosyce rodentiophila. THANKS for your appreciation.
Hi C&D, thanks. They are 2 years old.
Quote from: marazz53 on Thursday, 29 December 2011 - 20:51:37
From my point of view, I find Hylocereus undatus very good. On H. undatus my A. caput-medusae flowered in 5 months from seed. A. asterias, (my creation) flowered in 3 months from seed. Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus flowered in 3 months from seed. I use many different stocks. I graft on the first stock that shows me progress. I have only one problem with Eriocereus jusbertii, cos, sometimes it starts to produce black spots and that makes me change the stock. Some people use like silver dust, they use it after grafting, they put it on the fresh cuts. We do not find it for sale here in Malta - Europe.
Hello Mario, Its not silver dust but aluminium dust, and if you want it, I can get it for you. here in central eu its quite easy to get it. its even very cheap, if you are interested sent me mail to
[email protected] and I can send you picture how big one pack is :) I started to use it 6months ago.
Aluminium has disinfectant effect -> quite usefull.
Hi ToKra, I said "like" silver dust, cos that was the colour that I saw on a photo, infact I found the name too, it is called "Silver Colloid Powder". How did you find yours? Is it good? cos as you are saying, there are 2 products for the same job. I am interested to try it. Thanks...
Quote from: marazz53 on Saturday, 14 April 2012 - 22:53:30
Hi ToKra, I said "like" silver dust, cos that was the colour that I saw on a photo, infact I found the name too, it is called "Silver Colloid Powder". How did you find yours? Is it good? cos as you are saying, there are 2 products for the same job. I am interested to try it. Thanks...
Silver is maybe more expensive than Aluminium :D
Its quite cheap 2-3 Eur per box - > its quite enough, I dont know now weight but its quite enough. If somebody interested I can get it for you. I will buy more boxes / packs, but it will be in earliest 2-3 weeks.
[email protected]
Here is look of 1x Box of Aluminium Powder, cost aprox. 2E
hello! when do you use this product? just after the graft or do you wait one day?
Hi C&D,
Right after cutting \O/