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Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« on: Monday, 04 June 2012 - 17:16:08 »
Hello guys,
Here are a few questions about E. horyzonthalonius ....... try to help me please !!!
I'm about to sow this tricky plant and am studying the matter :o,
but can't understand how many are the principal varieties and cultivars  :-[

On this forum have seen a lot of wonderfull plants but i'm not able to find those seeds,
any advice for a beginner ??? :)

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday, 05 June 2012 - 21:36:37 »
Hello mikey,

these plants are not so difficult as you think!

Take a sieve into a cooking pot with warm wather.
Than you put your seeds into the sieve, so the most germs are away! The seeds which perish are germinable, the other are not germinable, i throw them away.

You not have to stratify, its not necessary!

Take the seeds into a pot, sterilize your substrate and took it into a plastic bag with sterilze-water!
After 10 weeks you can accustom the seedlings on frish air and you can fertilize them.

Some of my last seedlings:


















When you search seed look at Steven Brake or so else.
Hope I have help you

Daniel
The first plant is the latest ;)

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #2 on: Saturday, 09 June 2012 - 22:04:38 »
Sorry for being so late in the answer Ariocarpus,
I've been busy for a while . . . . . .
Your seedlings are amazing I relly like them
 and thanks for sharing so many pictures  :)
The last one with big plants looks like a dream !!!
How old are the Horizont. that I can see on those shelves ?
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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #3 on: Saturday, 09 June 2012 - 22:15:08 »
Hello mikey,

the big plants are beetween 10-20 years.
the little seedlings are from last year!

Good evening!
Daniel

Edit: I hope you will show us your results here!
The first plant is the latest ;)

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday, 10 October 2012 - 16:21:51 »
Hello to all of you guys,
from time to time I have been reading your messages to keep myself updated about new breeding techniques, and  of course to learn as much as I could from your experiences  ;)
Now I'm back to make you some more questions.
I built my germinator and bougth seeds of e. horizonthalonius, parry and polycephalus
and am planning to start in a couple of weeks, nevertheless I have a big issue
about the GERMINATION TEMPERATURES . . . I have alwayis thought this was more or less the right temperature range : 15°/16° C night and 29°/30° C daily,
but recently i received a mail from steven brack
that left me really confused, he said he said :
" these species need very high heat to sprout.  ecc hor, parry and poly need temps of 45c or a bit more in the day, then down to normal summer ambient at night.  the seeds lie in the soil in cracks between rocks, and the sun hits the soil and it gets very very hot.  from time to time a huge thunderstorm hits and then the soil is very warm and wet for some days, this is when they sprout."
45°C or more in the day is a lot, possibly to much . . .  :o
What's your experience, about germination temperatures, with these species ???
I would not boil seeds so hard to find !!! ???
Many thanks


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« Reply #5 on: Saturday, 13 October 2012 - 12:49:56 »
We heard too that they need thermal excursion to make them sprout well.
Once we sew them in spring when temps in the greenhouse were about 40-45 during the day and about 15 at night and they sprout well.
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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #6 on: Sunday, 13 January 2013 - 08:28:50 »
Here I'am guys, beeing busy for a while working to my little project !!!

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #7 on: Sunday, 13 January 2013 - 08:38:28 »
I want to show you my propagator, as you can see is homemade stuff,
but at the moment it works pretty good !!! :) :)
It has an heating cable of 50 watt and 3 fluorescent lamps !!!
I'm just in the middle of a challenging sowing (about 700 seeds for 30 field numbers ) :o

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #8 on: Sunday, 13 January 2013 - 08:58:29 »
As you can see from the following pictures I'have had the first results after few days ::)
(first two pictures E. horizonthalonius, third one E. Polycephalus)
I'm really happy with the germinating rate the only thing that actually I'm worried
about Is when I'm suppose to get rid of the plastic bag ??? ??? ???
Of course I need to thank Ariocarpus who already gave me his advice (saying 10 weeks),
but I've been reading a lot on this subject and have seen many different points of view,
1)well experienced guys take off the bag soon after the germination
2) some others keep the bab for a couple of weeks
3) still others keep the bag until the occurrence of the  first spines
4) Ariocarpus (please do not hold it against me) says 10 weeks

Anyone has the magic answer??? ;)


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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #9 on: Sunday, 13 January 2013 - 15:13:54 »
Hi Mikey, I think all valid viewpoints.
My experience is that in certain species, especially those with little or spination nudum, appreciate more humidity.
It's good to air them, so that your skin develops strong cuticle, but still requires high humidity environment.
Ariocarpus recommended 10 weeks, I think for the same reason.
Anyway, with 700 seeds can try different methods.

Best Regards

Fran

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #10 on: Monday, 14 January 2013 - 12:09:18 »
Hi Fran64,
Thanks for your contribution, as long as I can see
there are different approaches to the thing, and probably
all of them work if properly applied  8)
So I will try a couple of different approaches and see which one works better for me !!
The point is that I definitely want to avoid that plants go rotten,
and lacking of experience  :( if it happens I might not have time to remedy  :-\ !!!

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #11 on: Monday, 14 January 2013 - 12:34:39 »
A couple of questions to Ariocarpus ,
on the seedlings you showed me in the previous pictures :
1) How old are (were) they ??
2) Are they still in the bag ??
 :D

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 - 21:07:04 »
hello mikey! very good results!
about the time you keep the seeedlings are you referring to echinocactus seedlings or seedlings in general?
cos we kept closed for more time the ariocarpus than astrophytum for example.
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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 - 07:33:55 »
Thanks for sharing the pictures of your setup - great work!
Keep us updated (:
Dan

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 - 13:22:53 »
Hi Carlo & Daniele ,
I'm referring to echinocactus seedlings !!!
(The first I sowed are a couple of weeks old)

Many thanks danskibsted, just hope it works !!!
I'am really worried about rotting . . .
In my earlier experiment I have had some Ferocactus seedlings in the bag
for a long time untill the emergence of the first spines,
then I opened the bag up directly without acclimatization and had no problems at all !!!
But now . . . . . seeds were expensive, difficult to find
and have heard many people saying thay failed with horizonthalonius . . . . .
That's all  ;)

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Re: Quite ready for sowing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . quite ! ! !
« Reply #15 on: Friday, 25 January 2013 - 09:42:44 »
I'd like to show you a strange thing  ??? ???
What do you think about this pinkish polycephalus puppy ???

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« Reply #16 on: Sunday, 27 January 2013 - 18:30:49 »
Any idea ??? :)

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday, 29 January 2013 - 22:09:12 »
need to see it when it will grow a bit bigger...
Carlo & Daniele

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« Reply #18 on: Wednesday, 30 January 2013 - 12:50:57 »
Ok I'll keep you updated  8) 8)
And send a new picture in a few weeks !!!

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, 07 March 2013 - 14:40:15 »
Just a quick update  :)
An overview of the current situation !!!

 

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